Marcus Held: That's true, I must say…
Clive Brown: With my students in Vienna we always experiment with known historical practices: with
portamento, for instance (already widely used in the second half of the 18th century!), with different kinds
of bow strokes, rarely playing the notes exactly as they are written on the page, but bending the rhythms,
and subtly nuancing the tempo, and these kinds of things. It is great fun, and many of them become quite
enthusiastic about seeing the notation in a different light, but they do it and they say: "Ah, but I can't do that
when I go for my lesson", or "If I did it in an audition, I wouldn't get the place".
It takes time. These things will change, but they take time to change. You have to have a lot of courage to
make them change. I am too old to do it myself now, but all these wonderful young players, who are fantastic
technicians, can start to broaden their idea of what this music might mean. I firmly believe it could make
Classical music a much more compelling emotional experience for people who currently avoid it, because
they find it too ‘stuffy’, too rigid.
Marcus Held: We deal with a kind of music that happened before musical institutions. How do you feel about
teaching this music inside institutions, where we have schedules, programs, deadlines, exams and so on?
Clive Brown: In fact, I am officially retired, and moved to Austria in 2017 for family reasons. Now I teach in
Vienna because I enjoy working with students and they have given me the opportunity to do it. I teach what
they call an "elective" in the Music University (Universität für Musik und darstellende Kunst). The elective is
called ‘Performing Practice in Classical and Romantic Music’. I give some lectures at the beginning and then
we have workshops experimenting with chamber music repertoire. It is wonderful, for example, to
experiment with these talented young musicians playing Beethoven or Brahms in completely different ways
from normal modern practice, as suggested in my recent Bärenreiter editions of the Brahms and Beethoven
sonatas.
I don’t find it problematic to teach in an institution. I often go as a visiting professor to give masterclasses in
other institutions, for example in other countries. It is all new stuff for most of the students, but they often
get very excited about it! They often say, "of course, I can't do this for my teacher" [laughs], but they open
their minds to other possibilities.
What I am trying to do, all the time, is to help people read notation differently. What has happened in the
20th century is that we have become more and more fixated on playing the notes on the page as they appear
to be, so we play them very precisely. We don't really bend rhythms very much. For instance, we might over-
dot a little in some repertoires, so not play an exact 3:1 ratio, playing the little note a bit later, but most of
the time, we are still very, very strictly tied to the score, and that is not how they did in the past. Around the
end of the 18th century and the beginning of the 19th century, in German music theory, there was a concept
of richtiger Vortrag – correct performance – and schöner Vortrag – beautiful performance. Students had to
learn correct performance. That was the first thing you had to do. But, when you had learned how to perform
correctly, you then had to learn how to perform beautifully, which meant that you went beyond what was
written on the page to do something more than was written in the score. But they all said that you could not
be taught to do this, you had to gain it through hearing great performers and emulating them. You had to
have the talent for this. One musician in 1804 (A. E. Müller) who writes about this, explained that if you
haven't got the necessary talent, you will never get beyond correct performance. Then, he writes: “you can